• Registered: 2009-08-15
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Topic: Roadmap for the next months

Hi fellows,
Almost 10 months ago I released LongoMatch 0.14.1 and started working on LongoMatch 0.15. Since then, a huge amount of work has been done along 5 releases, adding new features, improving the user experience and making LongoMatch even more stable.
My feeling is that the project has done an important quality jump in these months and LongoMatch is becoming, release after release, an excellent alternative to the privative solutions big_smile
Many of you have been asking me, almost since the beginning of the project, to add support for live analysis. I knew that this feature would be a killer-feature, but I always asked for more time, to improve both the software's usability and the stability. And it's now time to work on it!!!

My plans for the next releases are as follows:
  * 0.15.6: Statistics tool and fake-live analysis (no preview, and no recording)
  * 0.15.7: Live analysis grabbing from a DV/IP camera
  * 0.15.8: Improve the drawing tool and the video editor
  * 0.16.1: Release LongoMatch 0.16

Comments are welcome smile

Andoni

LongoMatch - The Digital Coach
  • Registered: 2009-09-17
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Re: Roadmap for the next months

Awesome Andoni!
So, I could make an analysis for a live soccer match? for example, I'm watching Barcelona-Mallorca, and I could detect a wrong pass or a shot on goal in the moment?

Keep up the good job!

  • Registered: 2009-08-15
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Re: Roadmap for the next months

That's the idea smile
In the first iteration, you will be able to tag plays in live, but you won't be able to see the video in LongoMatch nor record it to the hard drive, this will have to be done using a different software (the one that comes with your DV camcorder) or a different device (like your home's DVR). Once the match is finished and you are done with the recording, you'll just need to import the recorded video into the project.
This feature has one main use case:
Be able to separate the analysis and the recording in two devices. (The coach do the analysis in the bench while some one else record the game with the camera)

In the second iteration, the goal is to be able to preview  and capture the game with LongoMatch. This way LongoMatch will be an all-in-one solution for capture and analysis big_smile

Cheers,
Andoni

LongoMatch - The Digital Coach
  • Registered: 2009-11-08
  • Posts: 13

Re: Roadmap for the next months

Hi Andoni,

I just had an idear for another use of your tool. Film analysis. For teaching film language and composition. Like what is moving in what direction? How is that image composed and how does it cut to what? Where is the line of action? Cutting on eye-scanning? Working with composition grids and so on.

In that sense I guess it might be useful to have an export option, which will export someting like a storyboard, with the drawings on top of the video images, either for each scene change(cut) or just for each drawing. The way it would be easy to analyse the movement flow over several cuts in a sequence, by seeing them side by side. The might be an interesting feature for analysing sports too as paper handouts.

Another thing I would like to ask you - have you reached a dead end on the windows build of Pitivi or have you left the building part for the Pitivi people from now on?

Tin2tin

  • Registered: 2009-08-15
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Re: Roadmap for the next months

Hi tin2tin,
I have already thought in this kind of utility, but there is already an excellent Free Software project called advene (http://liris.cnrs.fr/advene/) which is specialised in that kind of analysis smile

Regarding PiTiVi, the last build was the almost the good one except for a dialog not showing up. I'm waiting for the project leader to merge my patches in the master branch. As I'm not sure if this is going to happen, what I don't want is to work for nothing, I'm not in the mood to maintain a windows fork for pitivi tongue. So until my patches are not applied upstream I can't do anything else sad

PS: Some times I believe that Edward doesn't want a windows buid for PiTiVi

LongoMatch - The Digital Coach
  • Registered: 2009-11-08
  • Posts: 13

Re: Roadmap for the next months

Wow, nice app. Never seen that one before. But It doesn't seem to have the draw on the frame function. I'll have to have a closer look.

It the latest Pitivi build the one you posted here?
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=601982

I'm sorry to hear that the Pitivi people aren't more appreciative on your work and what a Windows build would do for their project. They really need to get it on the right track soon or else this one will be the first cross platform F.l.o.s.s. N.l.e:
http://vlmc.org/

Anyway good luck with LongoMatch smile

  • Registered: 2009-08-15
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Re: Roadmap for the next months

It's a pity sad I received an excellent feedback when I proposed the idea, but it seems now that they don't want to deal with people testing PiTiVi on Windows and filling tones of bugs wink I hope they will change their mind in a close future.
Thanks anyway for your interest smile

PS:vlmc looks very promising

LongoMatch - The Digital Coach
  • Registered: 2009-11-08
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Re: Roadmap for the next months

"people testing PiTiVi on Windows and filling tones of bugs" - sorry. I'm a developer myself. I hope I didn't come off as just another one of the craving windows crowd.

This is the app I spend some of my spare time on:
http://download.videohelp.com/tin2tin/

  • Registered: 2009-08-15
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Re: Roadmap for the next months

I'm sorry if you misinterpreted my words, but I wasn't talking about you at all, I already knew that you was DVDslideshowGUI's developer wink. I see you like me, enthusiastic about the idea of having a cross-platform LNE big_smile
What I'm saying is that they probably don't want to have a public windows build if it's not usable yet and if they don't want to invest some efforts in making it usable. They are already overloaded with all the problems they are having on Linux and might not want to have more. But that's just an opinion.
If I were more involved in the PiTiVi's development I would push for it, but unfortunately we'll have to wait for them doing the first step forward ;(

LongoMatch - The Digital Coach
  • Registered: 2009-11-08
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Re: Roadmap for the next months

I've just noticed that the Pitivi people released a 0.13.4.

Btw. I got videohelp to list Longomatch. I hope this will give you a bit more traffic. smile
LongoMatch on Videohelp

Last edited by tin2tin (2010-03-10 13:18:12)

  • Registered: 2009-08-15
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Re: Roadmap for the next months

Thanks tin2tin!
I saw on #pitivi they were about to do a new release. I'll try to bake a new installer ASAP including last release of GStreamer and gnonlin to see how does it behaves wink Hope It's going to work better than last time.

LongoMatch - The Digital Coach
  • Registered: 2009-11-08
  • Posts: 13

Re: Roadmap for the next months

Well, IMHO it worked quite well execpt for that timeline bug you notified them about. And maybe some missing/or too few  codecs in Gstreamer - or what ever it was which made it difficult to import a/v to Pitivi. They proberly need to have a better media checking routine before Pitivi attempts to import files.

  • Registered: 2009-11-08
  • Posts: 13

Re: Roadmap for the next months

http://blogs.gnome.org/edwardrv/2010/03 … et-danjou/

tin2tin says:
March 11, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Congrats. What’s the status on builds for Windows?

Edward Hervey says:
March 12, 2010 at 10:40 am

@tin2tin: We’re going to merge Andoni’s patches for windows support before 0.13.5

Also, the gstreamer-developers PPA now has 0.13.4 with dependencies available for karmik : https://launchpad.net/~gstreamer-develo … rchive/ppa

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Re: Roadmap for the next months

Cool! Edward already told me that they were going to merge the patches before the next release. That's very good news smile

LongoMatch - The Digital Coach
  • Registered: 2009-11-08
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Re: Roadmap for the next months

Hi Andoni - did you notice this?
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=601982

Edward Hervey   [pitivi developer]      2010-04-28 16:21:49 UTC

Pushed all the patches except for the Innotek/winbuilds specific one and
refactored one slightly :

commit c149539b09fe5feb4cb3d1b0c49b5dec6369de6f
Author: Andoni Morales Alastruey <ylatuya@gmail.com>
Date:   Sun Nov 15 15:57:56 2009 +0100

    Add script based in py2exe for packaging pitivi in windows

commit 00712025d5ac11b6f61822648f1a8f60692398a4
Author: Andoni Morales Alastruey <ylatuya@gmail.com>
Date:   Sun Nov 15 02:02:40 2009 +0100

    Add Pitivi's windows icon

commit 623391bef1ed6f8e802db7a0f9e3bc9ed0287333
Author: Andoni Morales Alastruey <ylatuya@gmail.com>
Date:   Sun Nov 15 15:44:36 2009 +0100

    Use 'USERPROFILE' instead of 'HOME' in windows

commit 2e2b12bcb1fb5de5a5ada1b4cd13d5797e9807b2
Author: Andoni Morales Alastruey <ylatuya@gmail.com>
Date:   Sun Nov 15 01:26:02 2009 +0100

    Don't search a 'None' var

commit 3b919ac6381bba101c5134604e2322969b15ddd8
Author: Andoni Morales Alastruey <ylatuya@gmail.com>
Date:   Tue Apr 27 22:23:43 2010 +0200

    ui: Resolve gracefully glade files path on windows

    Instead of checking for platform.system() =='Windows',
    check if we launched pitivi.exe. This way windows developers
    can still run pitivi using the python script by copying the
    content in $ROOT/pitivi to $ROOT/win32/dist/lib/pitivi/

commit c578bce41a9d23ca61050a8311c8301c5e5b53a1
Author: Edward Hervey <bilboed@bilboed.com>
Date:   Tue Apr 27 22:20:30 2010 +0200

    pitivi.ui: Handle Win32 glade locations

commit abed3107e93e4c897a46417fee6d8b364ffebaf3
Author: Andoni Morales Alastruey <ylatuya@gmail.com>
Date:   Fri Dec 4 00:46:52 2009 +0100

    Add manually generated files for windows

    We don't use autotools on windows. Generate manually
    *.in files

commit 3a10e34bec3f18893bf62e95cebc196abfa750d9
Author: Andoni Morales Alastruey <ylatuya@gmail.com>
Date:   Fri Dec 4 00:40:43 2009 +0100

    Add svg pitivi pixmpas converted to png format for windows
        On windows gdk does not have a pixbuf loader
        for svg format. We will copy use png pixmaps
        renamed to *svg, so pitivi can load them

commit d3d812a782b7e5d8e0d896060c5b7c6e5f2ba955
Author: Andoni Morales Alastruey <ylatuya@gmail.com>
Date:   Sat Nov 14 22:25:34 2009 +0100

    Retrieve the window xid using the right method in Windows

commit 4dd8e2bcb8e5f5a58db94bf2b0139bccee9ce73b
Author: Andoni Morales Alastruey <ylatuya@gmail.com>
Date:   Thu Mar 25 00:38:36 2010 +0100

    Disable device probing on Windows

Comment 45 Edward Hervey [pitivi developer] 2010-04-28 16:23:58 UTC

(From update of attachment 149159 [details])
Refactored that one slightly to avoid the repetitive glade_file check for
GladeWindow/GladeDialog subclasses

Comment 46 Edward Hervey [pitivi developer] 2010-04-28 16:25:26 UTC

Andoni, could you test building again with pitivi head ? If it's all good for
you, I'll close this bug.

  • Registered: 2009-08-15
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Re: Roadmap for the next months

Hi tin2tin,

Edward told me a couple of weeks ago. I need to find time to make a new build, probably this weekend big_smile.
I'll let you know for testing it wink

LongoMatch - The Digital Coach